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The Patriot Act, and the follow-up legislation and activities, are what lost Bush - and the Republican Party - my vote. I was somewhat surprised to discover I can be a single-issue voter - threaten my civil liberties, and I'll vote to kick you out.
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On a related note - anyone have the text of the last Presidential speech from The American President handy? Where Michael Douglas' character publicly asks his opponent 'Why aren't you a member of the ACLU, a group that exists solely to uphold the American Constitution?'

Date: 2004-09-16 01:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] joel-rosenberg.livejournal.com
As is your right, of course. Of course, it's worth remembering that John Kerry voted for the Patriot act before he opposed it, which would be possibly persuasive as to his perception of the abuses under it if even Diane Feinstein has looked for Patriot Act abuses and hasn't found any. (Most of what are usually labelled as Patriot Act abuses turn out to be FISA activities. Whether or not they're abuses is something people can disagree on, of course, and FISA doesn't require such activities, but merely has permitted four administrations -- counting Clinton as only one --to engage in them.)

As to the activities, I'm pretty sure I know what you mean, but I'm not at all sure what you mean by the "follow-up legislation." Could you be more specific? I'm not aware of any follow-up legislation that's been submitted to Congress, much less passed into law, except from the Democrats who have put forward legislation to roll back some of the Patriot stuff, although interestingly not FISA.

Date: 2004-09-16 02:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] davidwilford.livejournal.com
Scott, here's a link to what I think you're looking for:

http://www127.pair.com/critical/food-17.htm

(On a related item, I will take time tonight to help Erin find her copy of The Artist's Way. Sorry about the delay.)

Date: 2004-09-16 03:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalikanzara.livejournal.com
I can't vote for Bush on the 4th.

Kerry loses me on the 2nd.

Sigh.

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